Timeline for Our Comments Problem
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| Jun 16, 2020 at 10:59 | history | edited | CommunityBot |
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| Aug 1, 2017 at 17:45 | comment | added | Bernhard Barker | Related post with a few proposals: Comments are not for extended discussion - long-term solution discussion. Properly "fixing" this problem might allow us to remove the comment reputation restriction with no negative effects while also reducing the number of non-answer or comment answers by new users (not sure about The Workplace, but that should have a non-trivial effect on Stack Overflow). | |
| Apr 13, 2017 at 12:48 | history | edited | CommunityBot |
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| Mar 16, 2017 at 15:50 | history | edited | CommunityBot |
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| Mar 16, 2017 at 15:50 | history | edited | CommunityBot |
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| Aug 17, 2015 at 20:26 | comment | added | enderland Mod | Good question, thought it may take some time to look into I'd be curious myself! | |
| Aug 16, 2015 at 20:32 | comment | added | Chan-Ho Suh | I see a lot of comments here. | |
| Aug 15, 2015 at 4:40 | answer | added | Jane SMod | timeline score: 5 | |
| Aug 15, 2015 at 1:52 | comment | added | Joe Strazzere | Do we still have a comment problem? Or have the numbers leveled off? | |
| Jul 6, 2015 at 17:16 | comment | added | gnat | related: Provide an option for moderators to enable throttling of comments by requiring user to review prior ones | |
| Aug 12, 2014 at 15:37 | history | edited | Jon EricsonStaff |
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| Aug 6, 2014 at 16:10 | comment | added | IDrinkandIKnowThings | I think 90% of our problem could be addressed by not pinging users to comments addressed to them unless they are the OP of the post or from the OP Comments seem to get out of control when outside people decide to get involved in the discussion. Personally I think a better solution is just to not allow comments to be addressed to anyone other than the OP and only be visible to the OP but that is a pipe dream | |
| Aug 6, 2014 at 16:01 | comment | added | IDrinkandIKnowThings | @MonicaCellio - If that were actually true then we wouldnt have a problem. The problem is that the comments are not culled ruthlessly enough. | |
| Aug 5, 2014 at 11:50 | comment | added | Mr Me | I have the impression that this is one of those situations in which a bad naming decision leads to confusion. In SE the term "Comment" seems to be more like "Suggestion", but Users deal with them as Comments: light-weighted contributions. | |
| Jul 28, 2014 at 4:12 | comment | added | gnat | @jmac regarding limit for displayed comments, Shog says it has been always there at Workplace "That's been the behavior on all sites for years... The difference for TWP and Progse is that for questions with > 15 answers, all comments are hidden by default - the top N are only shown if there are N comments with upvotes." | |
| Jul 26, 2014 at 21:26 | answer | added | System 360 | timeline score: -3 | |
| Jul 26, 2014 at 17:37 | answer | added | System 360 | timeline score: 2 | |
| Jul 24, 2014 at 9:21 | answer | added | jmacStaff | timeline score: 8 | |
| Jul 21, 2014 at 2:13 | comment | added | gnat | @jmac I plan to post an answer some time later, as I am mostly offline this and next week. Wrt links I am going to use, there are two: this 2009 announcement about 5 top comments shown at SO and this 2013 complaint about the explosion of comments on Stack Overflow | |
| Jul 18, 2014 at 3:02 | comment | added | Monica Cellio Mod | @JoeStrazzere comments requesting clarifications that haven't been addressed yet should stick around. If you think comments like that have been incorrectly removed, please bring it up (chat or meta). Once comments have been addressed they're obsolete so might get removed, basically the next time something calls mod attention to the post. As for execution (leaving a comment about deleting comments/directing to chat or not), not all mods are completely consistent, either with each other or with ourselves at other times. For example, I haven't yet set up comment templates at work (new PC). | |
| Jul 17, 2014 at 10:43 | comment | added | Joe Strazzere | @jmac - I'm not confused about the policy. I'm confused about the inconsistent execution of the policy. Sometimes it's "remove the comment, leave a get-a-room comment". Sometimes it's just "don't make the question better, just remove some of the comments and leave some others". It causes me to be confused about if I previously left a comment suggesting a question improvement (and it just disappeared) or not. No worries, I'll learn to adjust. You folks are the moderators, so you enforce the policy however you interpret it. I understand that. | |
| Jul 17, 2014 at 2:23 | comment | added | jmac StaffMod | Could you explain that a bit more please @Joe? The help center has always been very clear that (a) comments are temporary post-it notes that may be removed, (b) comments are not a substitute for chat or answers. So the entire SE network has decided that this is the appropriate action to take, and the entire system is designed with that assumption -- it is not just The Workplace, but the entire network that has those rules. What makes you so confused about the policy? | |
| Jul 16, 2014 at 9:36 | comment | added | greenfingers | I have 3 suggestions - 1) collapse the comments under a link to them; 2) make it easy for the users to navigate to the meta/chat; 3) allow for short answers - if the information is useful why the length of the text should be an issue? Why somebody looking for a solution for a particular problem should read a wall of text instead of answers that go straight to the point? | |
| Jul 14, 2014 at 23:17 | history | edited | jmacStaffMod | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Jul 14, 2014 at 14:55 | comment | added | jmac StaffMod | @Joe, the goal is "working together to build a library of detailed answers to every question about the workplace." Community is definitely not the goal because Stack Exchange is not a social networking site. We are (presumably) here to give good answers to questions to help future visitors -- community should take a back seat to that. Comments are problematic when they shift us from Q&A to debate and chit-chat, and that is the issue that I am seeing recently and think needs to be addressed. | |
| Jul 13, 2014 at 17:32 | answer | added | Monica CellioMod | timeline score: 9 | |
| Jul 13, 2014 at 14:13 | comment | added | jmac StaffMod | @Joe, if the comments were evenly distributed, it definitely would be less of an issue. The problem is that the comments aren't evenly distributed -- they are quite clumpy, especially on popular posts where over 40 comments can pop up in hours. Note that Jon's answer says that the comments/post indicates there is no sharp increase assuming even distribution (which isn't the case). We also have some pretty chatty back-and-forths too, which aren't good to keep around. | |
| Jul 13, 2014 at 13:03 | comment | added | Joe Strazzere | @jmac - thanks. That lends even more credence to the thought that we have less of a "comments" problem, and more of a "lots of posts, thus a corresponding lots of comments" phenomenon. | |
| Jul 13, 2014 at 12:54 | comment | added | jmac StaffMod | @Joe, February 20th. | |
| Jul 13, 2014 at 12:46 | comment | added | Joe Strazzere | When did The Workplace graduate from Beta? | |
| Jul 13, 2014 at 9:04 | answer | added | aroth | timeline score: 39 | |
| Jul 12, 2014 at 8:52 | comment | added | jmac StaffMod | @Mike, why do you think this is 'one person's opinion'? These rules existed prior to the creation of The Workplace beta, and the linked post on what comments are not was also created by the "Director of Community Development for the Stack Exchange Network." I get that you don't like it, and that is certainly fine (we all have our own opinions, and I wouldn't have it any other way), but it definitely isn't one person's opinion. | |
| Jul 12, 2014 at 7:15 | comment | added | Jim G. | What happens if you exclude closed questions from that query? | |
| Jul 12, 2014 at 5:05 | comment | added | Mike M | That's a personal opinion as to what is distracting. What the SE platform has done is let the "crowd" clarify what is important with the voting process. The platform buries comments without votes. One person's opinion shouldn't replace the system. | |
| Jul 12, 2014 at 4:58 | comment | added | jmac StaffMod | @zespri, when there are 3-4 comments, it isn't a big deal and I don't usually go looking to delete them. When you get over 20 comments on a question in the first 12 hours after it's posted, that definitely is a problem, because it draws attention away from the Q&A, and makes future visitors have to read through a bunch of comments to find their answer rather than looking at the actual answers provided. SE is not a discussion forum, and when used as one, loses a lot of the value that makes it successful. | |
| Jul 12, 2014 at 4:29 | comment | added | Andrew Savinykh | Why do you see them as a problem? On other SE site they are not always in line with the bullet points you listed, but they usually help, either with providing more (loosely) relevant information, or helping to work out the solution. They are more often than not left be and I don't see how leaving them in is a problem. You may be a bit more pedantic than others ("but it's in the rules!"), but is there any other reason why you think the comments are harmful? | |
| Jul 11, 2014 at 16:22 | answer | added | Jon EricsonStaff | timeline score: 34 | |
| Jul 11, 2014 at 11:00 | answer | added | Joe Strazzere | timeline score: 15 | |
| Jul 11, 2014 at 10:53 | answer | added | Joe Strazzere | timeline score: 15 | |
| Jul 11, 2014 at 9:08 | comment | added | jmac StaffMod | Thanks for the suggestion @gnat, mind tossing it up as an answer with relevant links to wherever this is discussed on meta.so/meta.se so that people can refer and vote on it? Thanks! | |
| Jul 11, 2014 at 4:54 | comment | added | gnat | request SE team to set a limit of displayed comments at Workplace to five, like they do for Stack Overflow. Or, better yet, to 3-4 | |
| Jul 10, 2014 at 23:36 | history | tweeted | twitter.com/#!/StackWorkplace/status/487379915910967296 | ||
| Jul 10, 2014 at 23:36 | history | asked | jmacStaffMod | CC BY-SA 3.0 |