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As most of you know, Monica was removed as a moderator over the weekend by the SE staff. It wasn’t her decision, and there simply wasn't any justification for it.

I scoured all the data I could over the last 24 hours, listened to the chatter in the private moderator room, and simply could not find any data that justified the actions taken. This stack has taken a turn where I simply can no longer follow.

I have made the difficult decision of stepping down. I wanted to stay on until after the election, but after seeing all the data, I can't do it in good faith. Its simply not right what was done, what is being forced upon all of us, etc.

To echo Snow, Good luck to you and all who follow.

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    Best of luck, you're a good chap – Kilisi Oct 1 at 18:46
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    Thank you for your support and for all you have done for The Workplace. – Monica Cellio Oct 1 at 23:57
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    @Kilisi Thank you sir. Keep the lights on in here please. ;-} – Mister Positive Oct 2 at 12:33
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    I'm sorry to hear about this and the recent problems that have caused many other moderators to resign. I wish you well and I hope SE can sort out their issues. – Time4Tea Oct 3 at 15:02
  • Management at Stack Exchange is severely broken. All of the sites problems start at the top and trickle down. There will be no meaningful change until we get rid of management. – user25792 Oct 5 at 9:57
  • You've stepped down, SE has made promises, and Monica's situation is still unresolved. Why did you ask for reinstatement, if you felt this way? Nothing still hasn't be done. – FrankerZ Dec 5 at 17:35
  • @FrankerZ Because I changed my mind. Stepping down did not move the ball in any direction either. Also, as now its a legal matter, it could be months or even a year before any resolution is made. – Mister Positive Dec 5 at 18:59
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While I'm writing this on "your" thread Mister Positive I'm saying this equally to Snow and Jane as well;

I'm sorry to see you all go - not because I think you've made the wrong decision, on the contrary I think you've all made the right call. I'm just sorry it became necessary.

You've all been excellent moderators and if the last couple of years on Workplace SE have taught me anything it is that this is one of the sites that places quite high demands on it's mod team. And I feel the stack has benefited more than it knows from having an excellent at the helm.

While obviously Monica's "departure" wasn't her choice the same goes for her as well, I'm active on multiple stacks that she formerly moderated on and have interacted with her a few times over the years and I've always found her to be a truly excellent mod, both in taking up the hammer when needed and building the communities whenever she could.

So to Mister Postive, Jane, Snow, and of course Monica - thank you.

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When I recently had a problem on Workplace you, Mister Positive, were the only person (mod) I found to be genuinely positive and try to help resolve the issue

(as opposed to the community team, who compounded the problem by drawing attention to it, posted it on Twitter and then sent me a rude negatively-toned email when I called them out on their outright lies)

I think forcing you into leaving is a true loss to The Workplace, so thank you personally and good luck in your future!


Allow me this small pettiness as I sign off in a truly community-spirited manner, as I received:

We will not respond on the issue further.

Regards,
Stack Overflow Team
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Thank you for all the hard work as a diamond moderator - as a former diamond mod on RPG.SE I know how much thankless work is involved.

Thank you also for the principled stand, I would like to think that if my mod team had a fellow mod treated this way by the CMs we'd have mass resigned in protest as well. Well done.

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I don't really understand the full picture, but I did look around a bit, and came across something truly bizarre. SE staff made a policy change about ... "pronouns". Some moderators disagreed strongly about the change. SE staff responded by firing the moderator. Then other moderators "resigned" in protest, or for other reasons.

Just relax! The world is a huge place. There are 7 billion people living here. This is just one internet community, with a few thousand users. The world doesn't end with one undesirable outcome on one website.

  • Didn't get addressed by your "preferred" pronoun? Ask again politely. They didn't care again? Forget about the site and move on with your life.

  • Don't agree with the site's policy change, and they don't want you to question it? Log out and never come back.

  • Your community didn't like the policy change you proposed? Drop it and move on. But, wait, that will cause some users to leave the site, you say? Let them go.

Your life doesn't revolve around Stack Exchange. Stop pretending that it does. Fill your life with better things, or start looking at the better things you already have in your life.

Ask questions. Post answers. Ignore the rest. Why is this so difficult?

[Note: This is not meant to attack Mister Positive's post. I just happened to choose this place to post my response to the whole fiasco, which brought me to this site from reddit.]

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    Your mistake is thinking all these people quitting are doing so because of the policy change around pronouns. They are not. – Gregory Currie Oct 1 at 22:59
  • @Gregory Certainly. However, I am speaking from what is publicly available at the moment. I'm sure there are other reasons. I cannot read into people's minds though, especially into minds of strangers over the internet. Regardless of the reasons, my point still stands. It is just one internet community and one website. One undesirable experience doesn't end the world. There are plenty of other places where people can get the respect they deserve. If they don't like the site - for whatever the reason(s) - just leave the site and go to happier places. – Uchiha Madara Oct 2 at 0:06
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    It's rather public how Monica was treated, which is a key concern of many (you can read most of the reasons on people's resignation posts) . While I'm sure your heart is in the right place, it's important to identify that many people do make Stack Exchange part of their life. To have that suddenly removed for dubious reasons is deeply upsetting for some people. – Gregory Currie Oct 2 at 0:45
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    Uchiha, I know you're new here, but I feel like you've got a fundamental misunderstanding of Stack Exchange and it's scope. It is not "just one internet community, with a few thousand users." It is 170 sites with their own communities and over 11 million users. I find it truly odd that you would take the time to come to a site you've never been to before and tell people to "drop it and move on." – Booga Roo Oct 2 at 0:51
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    @Booga Why do you find it odd? I like to help people. I saw a problem here, so I posted advice which (I think) will help people. Anyway, those numbers you posted don't really change my fundamental point. You can look at it as 170 communities or one single community with 170 sub-communities. Either way, one bad experience on one site doesn't end the world. There are plenty of better things in life, why make your whole life revolve around one site? – Uchiha Madara Oct 2 at 1:58
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    Now I find it even more odd. You came here to help people by advising people to stop coming here and go elsewhere to help people? – Booga Roo Oct 2 at 2:17
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    @UchihaMadara That's not how human psychology works. Whether it's a house, a bank account, a relationship, or engagement with a web site, when things take time and effort to build up, we become emotionally invested. If people just avoided fixing things and just walked away at the first sign of problems, what type of world would we live in. Problem with the boss, quit your job. Fight with the girlfriend, just break up. Don't like a decision on a site, quit the site. – Gregory Currie Oct 2 at 2:20
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    @teego1967 That is not the cited reason on most of the rationale I've seen. If that was the reason people would have quit some time ago when these policies were first revealed. How the disagreement has been handled seems to be the biggest issue. – Gregory Currie Oct 2 at 2:23
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    @UchihaMadara I generally try to avoid prescribing to people what should matter to them. Who am I to say what should be important? Rather than join a community, just to lambast what matters to a bunch of strangers, maybe you should do something "more important" with your own life? – Gregory Currie Oct 2 at 3:51
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    @UchihaMadara Again, you are trying to prescribe what people find important by categorising being part of an online community as falling into a pit. I doubt you walked up to strangers in the street and suggested they lose weight. That is akin to what you are doing here. Except because your assessment of the situation is wrong, it's more like you approaching a pregnant lady in the street and suggesting she lose weight. You have no idea what you're talking about, yet here you are. – Gregory Currie Oct 2 at 7:00
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    @UchihaMadara If something is a lost cause, you advise may make sense. But many people still have faith that things can be turned around. I dare say people know more about themselves than some random stranger on the internet. So while you think you're being profoundly helpful, it's simply not the case. As for the rationale, most mods have explained their rationale in meta posts. You seem to know nothing of the situation, yet continually imply that it is lost cause. Even now, I think you're thinking up another analogy to describe a situation you know nothing about. – Gregory Currie Oct 2 at 9:20
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    @UchihaMadara My alternative to offering unsolicited advice to a situation I know nothing about is to NOT offer unsolicited advice to a situation I know nothing about. – Gregory Currie Oct 2 at 9:21
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    "Just stop caring about things" is a really tone-deaf thing to say right now Uchiha. Maybe you don't care about things. Great! Log out and move on with your life. Others do. Don't try to belittle or dismiss them. – Lightness Races with Monica Oct 2 at 11:11
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    This whole post is tone-deaf, and I have flagged it accordingly. – Mister Positive Oct 2 at 12:13
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    "if people want to waste their life fixing the site" this is arrogant presumption on your part.... – Mister Positive Oct 2 at 12:32

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