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I find it difficult to navigate chat as the rules seem to be unclear.

What exactly are the rules for chat (specifically the watercooler)

  1. Does chat need to stick to workplace issues exclusively?
  2. What is off topic for chat?
  3. What is grounds for a kickout from chat?
  4. Do mods need to warn a user before a kickout?
  5. When is a room cooldown preferable to a cross-chat kickout?
  6. Is humor off topic in chat?
  7. IF humor is not off topic in chat, what are the guidelines?
  8. How can mods avoid the appearance of favoritism towards or bias against users?
  9. What kind of deference should mods show to regular mods of a group when they are in chatrooms they do not normally visit?
  10. What steps are being taken to avoid the appearance of impropriety?
  11. How should people with social difficulties, such as autism, severe introvertedness, or non-native speakers who may use the wrong word, be treated?
  12. What should a moderator do when he or she finds themselves in direct, personal conflict with another user?
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    You have a LOT of questions here covering a variety of topics. Could you focus them down to a few more general questions? (e.g. on which topics are allowed, how moderation works, etc)
    – David K
    Commented Jul 2, 2018 at 18:21
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    Also, I haven't been active in chat for a while, but some of these questions seem like they are referring to actual events. Some more background on those events might be helpful to address some of your concerns.
    – David K
    Commented Jul 2, 2018 at 18:22
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    @DavidK I tried to make these as generic as possible rather than refer to specific events, because then the conversation becomes about the event and not the policy. Commented Jul 2, 2018 at 18:46

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I want to supplement this detailed answer from another moderator with a more general one.

If you treat the Water Cooler approximately the same as you'd treat a meet & greet at a professional conference, you won't go far wrong.

Yes, chit-chat and tangents and polite humor are all fine; we're all human beings. But the primary purpose of the room (or that meet & greet) is to facilitate conversation among people with a shared interest -- in this case, the professional workplace. If you're having a side conversation in the main room (chat or physical), you should be paying some attention to the rest of the room and asking yourself "is my conversation disrupting other people who want to have conversations that are more aligned with our primary purpose?". If so, you should back off; you can come back to that Star Wars discussion later, after the people who want to talk about improving that resume question got what they needed.

Our chat room should be welcoming to all, so beware of things that make it hard to break in (or stay). Be careful of long, drawn-out memes rooted in old or obscure posts/comments/events, and be especially aware of old hurts. Old hurts are, well, old hurts, but if they get rehashed time and time again, then not only do they become continuous hurts for the people involved but they becomes new hurts for others. It's like walking into the meet & greet to find the person you wanted to connect with complaining about the ex's behavior in the divorce, at length, over probably the third or fourth drink of the hour, and you just want to cringe and slink away because that was really awful for your colleague and now you're all going to relive it again. Sometimes these things are better discussed among smaller groups in less-central locations.

I can't give you exact rules; life is full of ambiguities and this is especially difficult for people on the spectrum to navigate. I get that. I think if we all try to be a little more careful about both (a) monitoring rooms we're in and (b) politely speaking up when something uncomfortable is happening instead of assuming people should just know, we'll all do fine. It should always be ok for somebody to say "this conversation is making me uncomfortable". (If somebody starts doing that aggressively to shut down what would otherwise be perfectly reasonable conversations, we'll deal with it then.)

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  • As someone on the spectrum, I do find it hard to navigate. I'm high functioning so most times it looks like I'm doing fine. Other times, esp when under stress, It's much harder. I know others have similar difficulties and have expressed as much to me. I'm not aware of any old hurts, so I may just have missed that. Commented Jul 2, 2018 at 20:50
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    BTW, another thing I can say about anyone on the spectrum is that subtle hints don't work well. Personally, I respond much better to "knock it off" than "I think you may be getting out of hand". We tend to think in a bit of a binary, so !NO = YES when doing something. Just an FYI for people on the spectrum in general. Another problem we have is the literalism tends to make us look like smart-asses. The worst beating I ever got from my mom was when she said "Just dump all of that on top of the plants". I took her literally. so, that's hard for us too. Commented Jul 2, 2018 at 20:56
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Ok, so I'll bite first. Before I move into the answers, I just want to state that the opinions stated below are my own. Within the confines of the ToC (Terms of Conduct) and other governing moderator guidelines, moderators are people, they have their own views and work in their own ways. The answers below are as I see them and don't neccessarily match what other moderators may think.

  1. Does chat need to stick to workplace issues exclusively?

No. The cooler has been entertaining people for many years without having to stick only to workplace matters. Obviously, however, if anyone has a workplace issue that they need to ask, then the current participants drop tools and help as much as they are able, and the off-topic chatter usually pauses. I've seen this in action many times, and many people have been helped.

  1. What is off topic for chat?

A broad subject this one. Basically, subjects that don't conform to the ToC. Basically, "be nice" is over-riding, as is basic common sense and decency toward others... Trash-talking other people, moderator actions, and other sites obviosuly brings some attention and crosses the "be nice" line.

  1. What is grounds for a kickout from chat?

In short, disruption and obvious bad feelings being aired, profanity being aimed at others, and badness of that order. Also, reacting to baiting (lowering yourself to language you wouldn't normally use).

Be aware that people don't necessarily get kicked out of the room because they're found at fault - it's sometimes a matter of removing tension from a room by freezing out the loudest participants and allowing them the time to cool off, regardless of any empirical idea of "fault".

  1. Do mods need to warn a user before a kickout?

If there's a chance to, yes. However, moderators don't monitor chatrooms constantly, so sometimes it's a case of dealing with fallout as it's happening. Throwing people out or freezing a room gives people a chance to cool down, and the moderator time to read the transcript, try and work out what's gone on, and act accordingly.

  1. When is a room cooldown preferable to a cross-chat kickout?

Simply, numbers. If most of the chatroom is involved, then a freeze is a way of temporarily shutting up everyone at once.

  1. Is humor off topic in chat?

No, definitely not. But remember that it needs to be open and understandable to everyone. Sarcasm/satire can come across as abusive to people who aren't in the circle of trust. Remember that anyone can read chat transcripts, and anyone can visit and follow a chatroom without being logged in. Chatrooms aren't private.

  1. IF humor is not off topic in chat, what are the guidelines?

See answer above.

  1. How can mods avoid the appearance of favoritism towards or bias against users?

We can't completely avoid unconscious bias, it's part of being human. Also see below.

  1. What kind of deference should mods show to regular mods of a group when they are in chatrooms they do not normally visit?

Notionally, off-site moderators should defer to on-site moderators because there's more of an idea of context and history.

However (and this is a big point), the currently active moderators on the Workplace are regulars in chat. This presents a problem of unconscious bias, and being too close to the issues at hand. We rely on the judgement of off-site moderators to be impartial. As you're aware chatrooms are moderated by any sitewide moderators - they react to flags or calls for impartial assistance. You'll see them sometimes pop into the chatroom, and most of the time they'll leave again because there's nothing that requires special attention. It's not because they're spying or selling popcorn.

  1. What steps are being taken to avoid the appearance of impropriety?

We talk about stuff. We argue, we listen to each other. We're not perfect. We attempt to be impartial, but see above regarding unconscious bias.

  1. How should people with social difficulties, such as autism, severe introvertedness, or non-native speakers who may use the wrong word, be treated?

No differently to anyone else. We are used to all of the above and we're open to different ways of expressing things. However, intent is intent and is usually pretty clear.

Through all of this, be aware that the cooler has been largely unmoderated for a long time. Regulars have got used to a particular way of chatting, and a lot has been allowed to happen in the past.

Note that entering into discussions about particular viewpoints or events isn't likely to be productive.

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  • RE #11, so people who have difficulty with communications should probably steer clear then? Commented Jul 2, 2018 at 20:42
  • That’s not what I said at all.
    – user44108
    Commented Jul 2, 2018 at 20:44
  • Added another one: 12.What should a moderator do when he or she finds themselves in direct, personal conflict with another user? Commented Jul 2, 2018 at 20:44
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    I'd take issue with "Intent is usually pretty clear" as we wouldn't have the "assume good intentions" rule." if it were. Commented Jul 2, 2018 at 20:45
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    I've dealt with many international people with different cultures, and plenty of people with disabilities. The intent of these people is often far from clear. Especially culturally, something that is rude in one culture can be expected in another. Commented Jul 2, 2018 at 20:47
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